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Telewest TVDrive Vs Sky+ 160 review

Telewest_pvr1_3 As much as we love to compare and contrast it is a bit unfair to carry out a head to head between the Sky+ 160 box and Telewest's new TVDrive system. Very few people are going to make their choice about which TV service - cable or satellite - they choose on the basis of a hard drive video recorder. Nevertheless after seeing the TV Drive in action last week, we can say it will certainly give Sky's engineers something to think about.

HDTV

The big difference between the two boxes is at the moment the Telewest system is HDTV compatible, whereas Sky’s is standard definition only. For Telewest customers this means that through the Teleport TV on demand system they can view, as well as record, High Definition programmes. At the current time Telewest only has a limited service – see here for more, but this inevitably will grow especially when HDTV films are added to the mix in the spring, and, hopefully, sport in the summer. The quality of the HDTV signal – we saw 1080i from the BBC series Pride - was quite superb. It is not the huge leap that the Americans had from wonky NTSC signals to high def, but still enough of a gap to impress the viewer with the richness of the colour and level of detail. Sky is going to offer up to eight HDTV channels in early next year almost all of which will show more than fifty percent of their footage in the new format. Incidentally the Telewest HD footage is in the MPEG2 video format whereas Sky has opted for MPEG4. Even Telewest's engineers acknowledge this makes little difference to the viewer – a codec is a codec apparently.

Storage capacity

Not surprisingly Telewest has chosen to roll with a 160 Gigabyte hard disk - the same as Sky’s current box. It claims that it can house eighty hours of standard definition programmes and around twenty of high defintion. Sky still hasn’t said how big its hard drive will be but there are journos from home cinema magazines who are willing to bet their grandmothers that it will be 300 Gigabytes – so nearly double the storage. We’ll have to wait and see.

Pricing

Sky currently charges from £199 for its 160 Sky+ box and no one as yet knows how much the HD box will retail for. Telewest has taken a different option and is allowing users to rent the box for £10-15 per month depending on which tariff the subscriber is on. It will almost certainly sell the units to customers at some point in the future. Telewest claims that as the box is rented it is easier/cheaper for users to upgrade to future boxes. Unless Sky offers a trade-in discount, Sky 160 box owners will be paying the same price as everyone else to upgrade their HD system.

Features

Telewest's big advantage is that its TVDrive has three tuners so users can record two channels while watching a third. With the existing Sky+ the user can only record two channels simultaneously – the HD box has three tuners. The Telewest box has an eight day electronic programme guide, a few days less than Sky, and a more sophisticated user interface. So for example viewers can search their record programmes by date, series, A-Z etc rather than them being lumped all together on one page as Sky offers. Perhaps the TV Drive’s coolest feature is that when you are using the EPG the TV programme you were watching last continues in a box in the corner of the screen. It's a lovely facility and Sky would do well to copy it. The Telewest box also has a few more DVD style trick play facilities than its Sky rival, and has a neat option that enables users to manually record programmes or extend the recording time at the beginning and end to ensure that the box records programmes that may overrun. Finally the Telewest box will let users rewind a programme they have been watching for up to an hour and a half. With Sky this is half an hour.

Usability

There is a price to pay for cramming in all these extra features. One of the beauties of the Sky+ box is its simplicity and by adding so many options Telewest has made the TVDrive slightly trickier to use. It feels more like a TV enthusiast’s box rather than the Sky+ which has more universal appeal. That isn’t to say that only techy minded Telewest customers will be able to use it. It is just that the Sky+ box is so brilliantly simple to use that Telewest would have had to pull a huge rabbit out of its hat to rival it.

Overall

There’s no denying that at the moment the Telewest TVDrive has the edge over the current Sky+ box in several key areas. It has HDTV compatibility, a wealth of very cool features and access to the excellent on-demand Teleport service. Sky will undoubtedly tweak its HDTV box to add a few extra facilities, and it is also likely to have a bigger hard drive and access to a lot more HDTV footage. Given the track record of hard disk video recorders reliability is also going to be a big issue for both Telewest and Sky. Still both units are excellent in their own way and both are very warmly recommended.

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Comments

You mention the feature that "the TV programme you were watching last continues in a box in the corner of the screen". That facility has been available on standard ntl and Telewest cable boxes for years - it's something Sky can't copy (on standard boxes at least) due to the way their EPG works!

Posted by: James East | December 7, 2005 12:28 PM

You said: "Telewest box also has a few more DVD style trick play facilities than its Sky rival, and has a neat option that enables users to manually record programmes or extend the recording time at the beginning and end to ensure that the box records programmes that may overrun."

Sky + can be set to record specific times and add time to the beginning or end of recordings. If you go to Services and sky + settings this page will give you the option to do both.

Posted by: Tom | December 7, 2005 9:32 PM

Sky+ offers you the option to rewind 60 mins, not the 30 mins you state, but I really hope the new Sky HD box goes further and lets you rewind 2 hours+

Posted by: Elliot Mason | December 8, 2005 5:31 AM

Just a shame that as ever when you call Telewest to enquire when you can get your hands on this thing you get the same vague reply of 'some time within the next couple of months'. They are always the same - I remember years ago asking when my road would be cabled up and it was always 'within the next 6 months'......so that was 12 months then!

Posted by: Si | January 5, 2006 11:10 AM

I've just ordered one of these, and will have delievery and installation on the 6th of April.

Anyone know who the hardware manufacturer is? What model do they use?

Posted by: George | March 4, 2006 2:12 PM

I ordered my TVDrive yesterday. I moaned about how long I'd been asking (I got them to add my request on my account details a year ago) and now have free fitting in 2 weeks time. It was made available to the general public March 1st.

10mb .. still waiting, told it will be end of April. They said it would be Xmas 05 in the summer !

Posted by: Bob | March 7, 2006 3:14 PM

ive got the tvdrive box and it SHIT when you run it on hdmi lead and put it on uk living the pic goes down to a 4.3 then you have to mess around with your tv remote to get it to fit the screen then the pic is naff

Posted by: paul foster | March 20, 2006 6:28 PM

Paul Foster:

That's a limitation of the HDMI standard, nothing to do with Telewest. Sky will be exactly the same.

Posted by: Jimno | March 25, 2006 11:11 PM

Had mine installed yesterday and I'm over the moon with it. I'm trying to find out what the model actually is so I can programme my universal remote to handle it. Anybody have any ideas?

Posted by: Tom Kelly | April 23, 2006 4:34 PM

Ive installed tvdrive to enough hd`s, quality is amazing, had it hooked up to 5.1, wicked..... of course living`s gonna look crap through hdmi... 1 it isnt a hd channel, 2 living is shit. So whatch something else. And Clean your damn houses before we get there, i worked in a fuckin dive today, never again. So if ure house aint tidy i aint installing shit.

Posted by: Telewest Tech | April 25, 2006 8:55 PM

TvDrive lasted 9 days then stuck in boot mode lost 26hrs of recordings, her in doors is not happy! I hope this is not the sign of things to come as my friends had 4 sky+ boxes Doh!!!

Posted by: Scask | May 2, 2006 7:14 PM

DOES THE TVDRIVE BOX HAVE OPTICAL AUDIO CONNECTION ON IT FOR HOOKING UP TO AN AMPLIFIER ?

Posted by: R.OWEN | May 18, 2006 1:59 PM

Does anybody know where I can find specs on the TVDrive?

Does it do 5.1? Does it have optical out? Does it have component out? My AV amp only switches component so HDMI is not an option today.

Does anybody know where I can find an image of the back of the box so that I can see exactly what outputs it has?

Cheers

Posted by: Carl S | May 23, 2006 8:33 AM

To answer my own question... further digging around on Google I found this:

http://www.telewest.co.uk/pdfs/tv_drive_userguide.pdf

It shows an image of part of the back.

From the image on page 47 (page 25 in the PDF) TV Drive has:
1 x standard left/right audio out phonos
2 x scart
1 x Component out
1 x HDMI
1 x Optical Audio Out
1 x USB
1 x Ethernet
1 x smart card.

Posted by: Carl S | May 23, 2006 9:08 AM

MANY THANKS CARL FOR THE INFO. REX

Posted by: r.owen | May 26, 2006 3:15 PM

I have just purchased a multi-room TVDrive package from Telewest connected to a HD Ready Panasonsic LCD Panel. I have ditched my Sky+ because of consistant live pause problems.

I am happy overall but have a few niggly problems I hope telewest address.

The series link facility is not as good as sky. If the programme you wish to record is repeated in the night you get the same recording twice.

The quality of the HD versions of "blue planet" are not impressive. Telewest told me to set the resolution to the lower level instead of 1080 as this is progressive and therefore better quality. Hmm I am not sure about this!!

If you start recording 5 minutes into a programme you are watching it won't record the whole programme as sky does. Instead it only records the live feed, missing the first 5 minutes.

The romote control doesn't fully replicate the TV functions like Sky. It only controls the volume which means I still need 2 controls next to the sofa.

Posted by: Paul | May 30, 2006 11:24 PM

I have just had my TVDrive installed.. I was put off a little in the sense i ordered it May 01st and had to wait till June 02nd to have it connected up.

One of the first thing i noticed when comparing the new TVDrive box to the standard digi box is that they have seemed to have addressed some of the things that have really annoyed me, such as lag when operating the box.

I have choosen to keep my original Digi box which is hooked to my bedroom tv. The old digi box always seemed to lag loads and would often crash when accessing teleport etc.

The new TVDrive box seems to have hardly any trouble with lag and it flys through the menu system.

Two main problems I have noticed tho..

01) If key in a channel number, ie, 161, then decide you want a different one like 103, it seems to confuse the box and it just sits there like a 90 year OAP trying to work a electric blender.

02) When the box is recording and you are viewing a different channel, the channel your watching seems to skip a frame or two or sound has a slight stutter. This seems worse when you have the box recording 2 channels.

Overal... the quality etc is fab, and I love the remote which comes boxed with the TVDrive box.

Posted by: R.Waine | June 5, 2006 12:55 AM

Had TVDrive installed 2 weeks ago, very impressed, BBCs HD demo clips are superb and the footie looks good.

Only niggle was the installer had never seen a DVI socket before on a HD Ready TV, Telewest don't supply them so I had to by one (adapter cost £1 on ebay, Belkin DVI to HDMI cable was £56 but gives excellent quality)

Posted by: K McKeown | June 11, 2006 10:08 AM

Had a TV drive fitted last Friday, very impressed so far, however I have lost my Internet connection 3 times since then, the first being on the same night as it was Installed, not being a techie dont know if the two are linked or not, anybody who understands these things care to offer an opinion please?

Thanks

Posted by: briang | June 16, 2006 11:41 AM

Hi had TvDrive installed last week 16/06/06,
picture good on HD & overall cable ok, However I have had nothing but trouble with the TvDrive. Once recorded and you play back it tends to pixilate after about every 5 mins? Its also annoying when we have set to record a program and on the screen it tells us that it has recorded ok, but in reality when you come to play back say 30 min of Coronation St it only plays back around 3 to 4 mins? and then says it's finished. Have contacted Telewest and they inform me that they are aware of the problem and they are addressing it (both). Another problem i have encountered is after recording and then deleted, the next day they reapear on the menu but wont play?
Stay with SKY that's what I say.

Posted by: Graham | June 22, 2006 10:01 PM

Had TV drive for 6 weeks now and noticed that it hangs if left on constantly for more than 3 or 4 days. Rebooting recovers most functions but a hard reset is needed to get things working smoothly again. Also had trouble with RF Ariel. Firstly TV drive was set to same channel as BBC 2, so lost reception. When engineer changed it, I realised that there appears to be no output of channels being view on TV drive. So existing TV distribution to the rest of my house was lost. I have contacted Telewest to be told that they don't support this. Have had to buy video to RF converter, but picture is shaky.

Posted by: Jason | June 23, 2006 3:46 PM

I got my TVDrive installed on the 20/6/06 Everything ran smoothly apart from when I change my mind and try to stop a series recording, it still records it. Also, I was very disapointed when my TVDrive recorded the same episode of star trek twice!

My Opinion: Don't get Sky+, Don't get TVDrive. Stick with a DVD Recorder.

Posted by: Adam | June 24, 2006 4:14 PM

TV Drive Rules, Sky+ 180 is crap... they expect you to pay £200 and a stupid subscription on top of it... I get TV Drive, Normal Telewest Box AND 10 Meg Broadband for £50 per month... then I use vonage for VOIP at 7.99 per month for line rental and free uk calls anytime, I would love to see someone beat that.

I have not had many problems with telewest, I have had a load of trouble with sky before, i needed a translater to explain to there call center staff i had a fault!!!

Posted by: Kev | July 3, 2006 2:43 AM

i just phoned up ten minutes ago, and am getting it installed in two days, no long wait for me lol.
also said i got a great sky offer through the door, and because i have been with telewest for a good 8 years, the matched the fake offer i told them lol.
it better be good, but who cares, im getting it cheap lol.

Posted by: Jim | September 1, 2006 12:03 AM

The TVDrive Is A Scientific Atlanta And Is Based On The 8300HD Model

Posted by: D. Tweedale | September 21, 2006 7:22 PM

Why go with Sky+ or Tv Drive instead of a separate DVR/HDD?

Posted by: Emily | October 23, 2006 10:02 PM

Does anyone know if it's possible to connect the TVDrive to a LAN. It would make it easier to "dump" recorded programs to a laptop, so that I can watch my recorded programs on the move. Faster than dumping them to DVD. BTW, her-in-doors says "the TVDrive rocks"... No more fiddling around keeping loads of recorded DVDs OR gettting your m8s to record yyour favourite programs whilst on holiday.

Posted by: Austin | October 30, 2006 11:14 AM

this is the TV-Drive spec from scientific atlanta.

http://www.sciatl.com/customers/Source/7004921.pdf

Regarding ethernet it has one on the back, but not sure how it would work.

Plug it into your network and see what happens.

Posted by: HdotNET | November 16, 2006 2:27 PM

can anyone tell me how u can run two tv's of one telywest box? please

Posted by: pat | December 8, 2006 4:57 PM

i was just wondering: what is the purpose of the USB port on the Telewest TV drive? Is it for an additional hard drive? (more space?) I haven't figured out and can't find any information on it. thanks, Lorissimo

Posted by: Loris Vigiani | January 7, 2007 3:55 PM

The USB port is probably for connecting multiple devices such as keyboards, multimedia recorders, mp3 players etc.
My new Samsung LE40N73BDX HDTV has a USB port on the side for for connecting mp3 players such as ipods and the like so these are just my thoughts.

Posted by: LOVE LIFE HATE WAR | January 16, 2007 10:05 AM

can anyone tell me the dimensions of the tv drive box from telewest. i can't find them anywhere and need to see if I've got room in my cabinet.

Posted by: dave | January 28, 2007 3:08 PM

Hi,
I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently signed:
"Enable eSATA port for the Virgin Media V+ box"
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/VPlusBox?e
I really think this is an important cause, and I'd like to encourage you to add your signature, too. It's free and takes less than a minute of your time.
Thanks
Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan | December 8, 2007 1:00 AM

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